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    Default Unstarted KF Model1 SN#111- Questions

    Greetings TeamKitfox
    This is my first post. I've followed this forum for a couple years now. I purchased an unstarted Kitfox Model 1 kit last Year. Serial#111. all of the metal tubing was covered in a light film of rust. It had been stored in the owner's workshop for the past 28 years. I inventoried the kit and found that everything is accounted for except the plastic for the windshield and doors.
    So far I have used scotch bright on all of the tubing to remove the rust, then sprayed it with epoxy primer. During the winter I have done a lot of research and have questions on how to proceed on a few things.

    1. From what I've read, it seems to be recommended to add reinforcements to the vertical rudder pedal tubes where they are connected to the bottom horizontal tubes. I removed the epoxy primer from those areas to weld triangular gussets in place. I cut the gussets from .040 4130 sheet.

    2. It seems t be a good idea to extend the vertical fin and rudder. I plan to use 035 4130 tubing welded to the top of the original rudder and over hang above the vertical fin. Any pointers on how that should or should not be done?

    3. After some research, I decided that it was important to me to have some aileron differential so I cut out the mixer mount tubes that were in the fuselage aft the seat area. I have designed and am building a mechanism like what is standard on classic model 4 and newer, The Kitfox catalog has a retrofit kit but is not available for the Model1.

    4. Is it recommended to add reinforcement gussets around the elevator welds near the control horn?

    5. Is anything salvageable in the covering and finishing kit? I have 28 year old unopened cans of polytak, polyfiber, and structural epoxy. I guess that is all expired and should not be used. What about the bias tape and trhead? I have the roll of Dacron cloth too. Is it too old to be used?

    6. The 20" balloon tires still have air in them and seem to be soft, are they garbage after sitting so long?

    7. The Rotax 532 is still in the box. I assume it will need to have a mechanic go through and replace or upgrade some parts.

    Any advice or direction would be appreciated. It's almost warm enough to resume building again but I don't want to get going just to do it over again.
    Thanks, Jim B.
    - btw - I chose the skyhook user name because I have a hook for a left hand. Another story for another day...
    JDB building KF1 SN#111

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    Default Re: Unstarted KF Model1 SN#111- Questions

    Looks like you have a great project ahead of you, good luck with the build as I wish I had the patience to build one.
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    Default Re: Unstarted KF Model1 SN#111- Questions

    Skyhook, sounds like all the covering products are way too old to use. Not sure if the fabric is still useable. I'd be talking to PolyFiber before using it.
    Good idea to reinforce the rudder pedals.

    Seek out SkySteve in Utah on the tail modifications. He did a great job on his and his personal page has some very good photos of the modification. You might also search for his posts on the subject as I recall he discussed it in some detail.

    Also not excited about 20 year old tires and tubes.

    I have no experience with two stroke Rotax engines. Sorry.

    Good luck with the project.


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    Default Re: Unstarted KF Model1 SN#111- Questions

    DesertFox, I really enjoy your YouTube videos flying around the Arizona desert. Thank you for the straight answers. I was pretty sure the covering items should be replaced. Even if they might have a little life left in them they certainly are not the best choice over new materials. I agree about not being excited about the tires. Every take-off or landing would have one more thing to worry about. I will reach out to skySteve and talk. I have studied his posts and photos on his personal site.
    JDB building KF1 SN#111

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    Default Re: Unstarted KF Model1 SN#111- Questions

    I would recommend going to Rotax Flying & Safety club, an find a Rotax Repairman to go through the engine.
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    Default Re: Unstarted KF Model1 SN#111- Questions

    Did someone call me in on this (DF4)?.

    Hey SkyHook, (by the way, what a great name!). Feel free to give me a call (eight 0 one, 7 niner one, 4 seven 7 seven). Tomorrow is good if that works for you as it looks like it's going to snow again. I see you are just down the road from me, in West Jordan. I'm in Huntsville and my plane is at the Ogden airport.
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    Default Re: Unstarted KF Model1 SN#111- Questions

    Steve- I just wanted to steer him towards your posts and photos. You did such a nice job on yours and I personally know how well it flies with your mods. Just want the best for our new members.
    Got to get those lonely and forgotten kits into the right hands and get them flying. Thanks for any assistance you can give.

    Hope to see you soon. BTW, no snow here in Phoenix yet.


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