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    Default Re: Bungee vs Grove

    Bungee type gear are not inherently bad. We've been using that design for decades and with proper upkeep they still serve many designs well.

    The problem with the early Kitfox bungee gear was in the geometry of the finished product. Most came from the factory with a toe in and camber out condition. This makes it difficult to control anytime the weight would shift during take offs and landings. My model 3 used to dart left or right even in a no wind condition. Add a cross wind and all bets were off as to which set of runway marker lights were in immediate peril.

    Granted I was flying off mostly blacktop strips and grass/dirt would be more forgiving of the screwy geometry.

    After 300 hours and landings and take offs numbering 1000 plus, I switched to the Grove aluminum style gear and never looked back.
    The weight penalty was well worth the piece of mind that you were going to make it back to the hangar with most of the important parts still attached to the aircraft.


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    Default Re: Bungee vs Grove

    Mine was a 12# penalty when all said and done. If I wanted, I could skip a couple cheese burgers and get that back.




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    Default Re: Bungee vs Grove

    Quote Originally Posted by Av8r3400 View Post
    Mine was a 12# penalty when all said and done. If I wanted, I could skip a couple cheese burgers and get that back.




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    Not to Quibble or argue - but....

    I have a pair of bungee gear in my hangar with fairings - Fabric with wood trailing edge. Without axles or brakes - just weighed them - they weigh 9.125 lbs. or 9 lbs. 2 oz. Grove currently lists their gear for Model IV as 24.3 lbs. I called them some time ago and asked what they weighed including mounting brackets and hardware. I was put on hold for several minutes and when the nice lady came back I was told 32 lbs. Apparently the weight they post on their site is gear legs only, not including the billet machined mounting brackets or hardware. To be strictly apples to apples, I weighed the four bolts nuts and washers for the bungee gear and they weigh 2.9 oz. so rounding up, the bungee gear weighs total 9 lbs. 5 oz.

    Based on the numbers Grove gave me and the numbers from weighing what I have, my estimate on my previous post was a tad generous. It looks now more like a 20.7 lbs. difference.
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    I did a bathroom scales comparison and came up with 19# penalty for the grove. I shall therefore confirm Lowell's more scientific value as correct.

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    Default Re: Bungee vs Grove

    Not to muddy the waters, but how about the bush gear Kitfox offers (I assume this is Grove as well)? Weight and performance on par (or better) than the aluminum spring gear?

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    Default Re: Bungee vs Grove

    The "Bush" gear is fabricated 4130 tube, made by Kitfox.

    Nothing in common with the Grove gear other than it fits on a Kitfox…


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    Default Re: Bungee vs Grove

    Roger that. Guess I got confused with this post. Does the II shown here have a Kitfox bush gear in actuality?

    http://www.teamkitfox.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=5619

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