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    Default Do you remember?

    In january, I ask a question on Polyfiber skin on an aircraft. I did not recive any comment, so I did my research, an got some interesting answer.

    I ask these questions to Stewart Systems Product:

    Hi, I got some interrogation for you, it can help me choose the right
    product.

    1-what is the difference of longevity on the fabric plane store in or
    outside? (in years)

    2-what is the difference of longevity between 101 & 102 fabric?

    3-what is the difference of total weight if a Kitfox be cover whit 101
    or 102 fabric

    4-I will use my aircraft mostly for fishing, hunting or outback flying
    on wheel or float, should I use the thickess fabric on my plane?

    I receive good answers from Stewart Systems, that I will share those with you and it gose like this:

    Hello Eric,

    todays modern polyester-dacron fabrics used to cover aircraft are only
    affected by UV light. The do not have issues with mold and rot when
    finished with the more modern synthetic glues, primers, and paint
    unlike the old fashion Dope products. As long as you have followed the
    instructions when covering and painting the aircraft and make sure to
    have the proper amount of UV protection an aircraft stored out side
    continuously typically goes 20+years before the owners start thinking
    about re-covering them. Any aircraft that is stored out side and not
    protected from the elements is subject to wear and tear. Obviously a
    hangar is preferred. Where you store the plane is not as important as
    how much you use it, and how well you maintain it.

    There is no difference in longevity between the medium and heavy
    fabric. You would not use heavy fabric on such a light aircraft as a
    Kitfox

    The weight difference between medium and heavy Ceconite brand fabric
    is .2 oz per yard. And with Superflight brand fabric it's .5 oz per
    yard. The heavy 101 fabric is much more likely to distort the lightly
    build airframe components on a Kitfox when shrunk. It tends to pull
    tighter than the medium weight fabric. The different weights of fabric
    are based on things like the VNE and wing loading of the aircraft.
    There is no need to use a fabric designed for 300 mph warbirds on an
    80 mph homebuilt.

    Total weight gain using the heavy 101 fabric would be about 5 lbs

    A KitFox needs to be as light as possible. Our finishing process is
    the lightest available with the best UV protection and I would
    personally choose the Superflight medium 102 fabric and use the light
    weight 103 ceconite finishing tapes if it was my airplane. I fly a
    Supercub and use it heavily off airport operating in remote and un
    improved area dragging the wings and tail through tree branches and
    small willows. I would cover it with the same materials as I
    recommended for your Kitfox.

    I'm happy to answer any questions I can, and remember that I'm already
    a thousand mistakes a head of you.


    On that my question is, wich system is the best to cover a aircraft, Stewart Systems or Polyfiber system?



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    Default Re: Do you remember?

    They both appear good, if I where doing it again I would use Stewart simply because I built in my basement and controlling the smell was quite an issue.
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    Default Re: Do you remember?

    I really like the video on the net of Stewart Systems, there is many of them, i think i have watch almos for 6h of those video. I admier this guy working with this fabric, it look easy to do and he always sweep the glue with towel, to prevent uneven gloss on paint job.

    is one system is easyer then the other to work with?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgXd2...eature=related




    Eric

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    Default Re: Do you remember?

    If you search this forum you should find a few threads on this topic. I have only used Poly Fiber which I found easy to use but smelly. From what I read here and elsewhere the Stewart system is comparable to use without the odorous component.
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    Dorsal, is it the glue that have been spread on the fabric, if it is, would the ''coulis'' (long drop of glue), will be seen on the finishint paint?
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    No, it is a product called Poly Brush and the runs you see are on the inside of the fabric. When the first coat is put on the fabric it is still porous and the Vinyl based coating will soak through.
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    My vote is for Stewart System. I did it with the garage door closed(winter time) and loved every minute of it. Very easy to use and if you make a mistake it's very easy to fix. I used medium fabric. You can see some of the covering pics in my profile album. Just click on my name to the left.

    Also, I'll admit as I was investigating covering options my first impression to the Stewart System brand as "eco" friendly sent up a red flag, but I soon learned that it's a great system. I believe it is easier to get a more professional look because the glue is heat activated and the fabric can be repositioned easily without solvents even after it dries. By tacking the fabric down over a small amount of glue you're not really commited until you soak the glue through the top. Even then I had a few tapes I was unhappy with that I pulled off a day later and replaced. Any glue that was left over could be used as the new tacking strip for the new tape. Heck, I originally covered my wings lith light fabric and decided to recovered them because I wanted to go with medium fabric. The old glue left on the frame served as the new tack strip.
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    Default Re: Do you remember?

    Do we have to brush the UV blocker on both side of the fuselage?

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    Yes, UV blocker needs to go everywhere on the exterior - top, sides, and bottom. First 2 coats(equals one "cross coat" - two coats applied 90 degrees to each other) are applied with a foam brush. 2 more cross coats are then sprayed on.

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    The only coat I put on with a brush was the first coat of Poly, the remaining poly, UV blocker and final paint was sprayed on. Is this different with the Stewart system?
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