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    Correction, 51% needs to be amateur built (you and/or other amateurs), it also appears I was mistaken in that the night restriction only applies to the Sport Pilot not the LSA plane.
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    and it depends on how you document the build. The guy that originally built mine could not tell me a darn thing about it, which led me to believe that he had "others" build it, but he still got the repairman certificate for it.

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    Andrew G wrote
    So, instead of buying an LSA craft and living with 1,320 lbs limitations and no (occasional) night flying, I guess I have to "build" one to achieve 1,550 lbs gross-- which is hugely important to me...
    I wonder if you could purchase a completed 1320 gross weight experimental amateur built series 7 and increase the gross weight to 1550? there seems to be no difference in the airframe except the landing gear...maybe. It might be worth asking your FSDO.
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    Good point...
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    OK Steve, I cant take it any more....

    Where is the requirement for a 1320 "gross" weight, and where on your FAA paperwork for YOUR plane does it list a gross? My Airworthiness does not have it, and none of the other Experimental planes I have looked at has a gross weight listed.

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    Given we are talking whats legal and not what the plane is capable of then I am ASSUMING the following.

    If a plane is certified as an LSA, which a factory built plane would be, then I believe the 1320 is implied and it is not legal to fly the plane over that MTOW.

    Other than that I agree that MTOW is not listed on my certification or anywhere else on the plane except the POH. I have seen it listed on a data plate but that is at the discretion of the builder. I did have to submit a signed copy of my weight and balance with my application that did list the maximum weight, not sure what, if any, legal ramifications are of flying over that number.
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    (hypothetical) So, if I accepted delivery on a factory built (LSA), 1320 max, and then upgraded the gear to the heavier 1550 rated gear and an in-flight adjustable prop (major modification); couldn't I recertify the plane as 1550? Understanding that the plane would be Experimental (not amateur built) and would require an A&P to sign off on the annual conditional inspections.

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    Again I think the question is can you take an LSA, modify it and then re-certify it as a non LSA. Certainly there are examples of certified planes that are allowed to increase MTOW, a friend recently put a bigger engine in his 172 and got to increase the limit. As for changing the type certification I have to imagine that gets significantly more challenging. I believe I read, naturally can't remember where now, that once an LSA always an LSA.
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    My point was, as soon as you make a change to an LSA, it is no longer an LSA. Similarly if you take a Cessna 172 and put a non-certified engine in it, it is no longer a certified aircraft, it becomes an experimental.

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    Maybe the nice Kitfox people can help clarify/interpret these important questions... but you guys are on the right track in terms of your points and questions... and that is why I am a little lost...

    It's going to take a couple more years for the market and FAA to clarify this stuff on a wide scale.
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