Kitfox Aircraft Stick and Rudder Stein Air Grove Aircraft TCW Technologies Dynon Avionics AeroLED MGL Avionics Leading Edge Airfoils Desser EarthX Batteries Garmin G3X Touch
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: To return or not to return

  1. #1
    Senior Member Dorsal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Central, MA
    Posts
    1,511

    Default To return or not to return

    Looking for comments on the value of a fuel return line on a Rotax 912s. My understanding is that it allows more fuel flow through the line to help prevent vapor lock. Assuming one is burning 3-6 gal/hour how much more flow do you need?
    All comments, controversy or suggestions appreciated.
    Dorsal ~~^~~
    Series 7 - Tri-Gear
    912 ULS Warp Drive

  2. #2
    Senior Member Slyfox's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    felts field, spokane
    Posts
    1,327

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    I don't have a fuel return. I just put in a new motor, saw all the lines to put in and said, forget it, the other engine never had it. I did have some issues until I balanced the prop. Now the engine runs like a purring kitten. I don't have any firesleeve. I figure the engine area is running real low on temps, unlike a lycoming. This is a water cooled engine and the head temps are around 180 all the time, at least on mine. Firesleeve is an overkill in my opinion. What do I know, I only have about 1500 hrs on my fox. I will NOT put clear hose or bing blue hose in my engine area, it's all auto fuel injection hose. This stuff is real good and last a long time. My oil hoses are 1/2 300psi double braided hose, no firesleeve and doing great. I pull the cowls on a regular bases, about every 10hrs and do an inspection on everything, no problems.
    steve
    slyfox
    model IV 1200-flying
    912uls
    IVO medium in-flight
    RV7A-flying
    IO-360
    constant speed prop

  3. #3
    Senior Member cap01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    yelm, wa
    Posts
    694

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    red high temp rtv thinned with mek workes well also to seal up the ends of the fireseal
    chuck
    kitfox IV 1050
    912ul warpdrive
    flying B , yelm, wa

  4. #4
    Senior Member akarmy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Auburn, WA
    Posts
    240

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    For those thinking about a return line on the fuel system. I also did some research as to the fittings & restrictors needed. You can see the details on my site if needed. There's nothing amazing about it, just by the book rotax setup, just wasn't clear to me at first.

    http://flying.karmy.com/?p=309
    Andy Karmy
    Kitfox 7 - 912S - SOLD
    Auburn, WA

    http://kitfoxflying.com

  5. #5
    Senior Member Slyfox's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    felts field, spokane
    Posts
    1,327

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    I was thinking of taking all my stuff and put it on, so my question, where do you put it into the header tank, could I just tee into one of the fuel lines going into the tank or do you go into the vent line up twards the top of the vent where there is no fuel.

    I got all the necessary fitting for the engine side, just need to know where to put it into the header tank.
    Last edited by Slyfox; 02-08-2010 at 10:58 AM.
    steve
    slyfox
    model IV 1200-flying
    912uls
    IVO medium in-flight
    RV7A-flying
    IO-360
    constant speed prop

  6. #6
    Senior Member akarmy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Auburn, WA
    Posts
    240

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    Here's how the new header tanks do it. The fuel return is the top right hose fitting with the 90 elbow on it. Basically it just dumps the return into the top of the header. I would think that's very similar to using one of the vent lines.

    Andy Karmy
    Kitfox 7 - 912S - SOLD
    Auburn, WA

    http://kitfoxflying.com

  7. #7
    Senior Member Slyfox's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    felts field, spokane
    Posts
    1,327

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    looks like if I take a hose and put a tee on it will work.
    steve
    slyfox
    model IV 1200-flying
    912uls
    IVO medium in-flight
    RV7A-flying
    IO-360
    constant speed prop

  8. #8
    Senior Member Dorsal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Central, MA
    Posts
    1,511

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    Great! I had just finished convincing myself not to worry about the return line, spent last night re-doing the fuel system to include it. The annoying part was relocating the fuel flow transducer so it is after the return line. I have been going round and round in my head on this issue (a little obsessive sometimes), now it is done and I am sure in some small way safer. I do not have the banjo bolt setup so I created my own manifold, will post a picture later for those who are interested.
    Last edited by Dorsal; 02-09-2010 at 04:55 AM.
    Dorsal ~~^~~
    Series 7 - Tri-Gear
    912 ULS Warp Drive

  9. #9
    Senior Member Dorsal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Central, MA
    Posts
    1,511

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    For those that do have a return line do you use an in-line check valve? It occurs to me that even with the fuel valve shut off the engine side will still see the head pressure of the tanks through the return line.
    Dorsal ~~^~~
    Series 7 - Tri-Gear
    912 ULS Warp Drive

  10. #10

    Default Re: To return or not to return

    Yes we found that same problem, so yes we put a one way check value right before returning to the header tank.
    Dj Series 6

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •